Tourettsbear

There is some cheesy things you can do, like bring hunter+shaman (or mage) and have 2x blood lusts if they have nether ray pet. If you pre-coordinate cooldowns for pulls too it makes it a lot easier. Like when we went we sort of went on the fly. My bro was telling me "Get a piece of paper, write down all the cool downs and the timers, and then pre-prep" I actually think there are group comp cds .

It's not at all "can we be more hardcore though"? If we're currently sitting people after 4 extra attempts..what I'm asking is "Can we not make 4 extra attempts" and can we sit them now. Bash, You are a solid example.. I wish everyone under similar circumstances as you should follow the same lead. It's just interesting because you had myself, Kansir, Nerita.... and multiple people bring it up..Yet you still look at it as being more hardcore.. I look at is as not wasting time. With this current method, and logic, you're wasting time.

That's a good suggestion..But honsetly, I don't think it needs to be that cut and dry.. Like Iron Maidens is the perfect example. End of night Tuesday we knew who should probably be sat.. But Wed fresh day.. 4 or 5 attempts if the performance isnt better we sit.

I mean, its a yes or no question though.. Can you please answer. I've said once before that I'm not asking for it to be 2-3, I don't think a static number should be placed..but I think if we know we can down the boss after 10 wipes. if we drop people not up to par. Rather than getting 8 more wipes worth of data THEN benching people.. The question isnt "Can we be more hardcore" I'm asking if we can make these decisions faster?

so you're agreeing with me.. They were sat due to issuse? Now..If there are issues..can we be quicker to sit people?

Those are still issues? It's just not 100% there fault.. It is still an issue though? Your throwing numbers out there...that don't match with the numbers i'm looking at..One of isn't looking at accurate information..

Also, I never said gump.. But since you've mentioned him.. I don't think you're giving him enough credit.. i think he can perform much better..Maybe not Methods level of play like you said. But I don't think it's too much for the guild to ask our raider's to perform better. I think if you help Gump, he will be stronger. I think you dance around question's in a weird way. So are you saying that we would have downed Iron Maidens in the same amount of attempts regardless of dropping people ? (we wouldnt have) the warcraft log data...doesn't imply that at all...My question is "Can we sit people who aren't performing quicker" .. Is your answer really no to this? Also, are you kidding me? If you put 0 effort towards being better you're not going to get better, which means you can't become skilled.. Some people are just skilled at things, other people have to work hard to get there.. But they can get there it may just take a little help.. But if you make a WA to see when you can pop a trinket so you use it more efficiently is becoming more skilled..

lower performance on a boss falls under mistakes..It means there is issues somewhere.

That's not what I said though. I'm saying on progression bosses when people are dieing to ridiculous things regularly.. Iron maidens is an example.. There were people messing up the 9 attempts on tuesday, and the 10+ attempts on Wednesday..Then we finally sat them..and we downed the boss. Your point about gear doesnt make any sense becuase I'm strictly talking progression bosses..not farm bosses where people can show up and get gear. If people in the raid on our second grouping of attempts are causing us to wipe all night.. We should be quicker to sit them. I'm going to take your response as no..but just so you know, its not just me requesting this..it's the 15-16 other people who think we're wasting a lot of time trying to carry people. But, I think its ridiculous that requesting people to perform better or be benched isnt a concept that the entire guild can be behind. I'm referring to the people who are late coming after break.. Those people are still getting EP with no minus. If we slim down to 15 people...that is EXACTLY what im suggesting in point number 1 which you said no to? As for my statement.. Lack of effort=lack of skill... I'm not asking for hard core numbers. I am how-ever asking that if youre going to raid on a class...you should probably know how to play that class. We have a lot of tools for people to be better.. WA, Guides, simc, hell just ask and I'll do most of this homework for anyone. But not doing anything to be better is stupid.

Exactly, who cares about farm bosses really.

I was going to make a new topic but decided to tack on to this one instead. I have some question's. 1) Can we be quicker to sit people who are under performing, or inadequately performing on progression bosses? Currently we waste almost half of the raid night wiping and wiping, only to make it to break.. Then we wipe 3-4 more times before we decide to sit people who fall into this category. I understand the logic that this is a casual guild raid, but if the people who aren't performing aren't willing or able to step up to a decent level then why should the other 16-18 people suffer? (Iron Maidens is an example of this). I mean, it kind of falls under rule 2 of this post.. Stop wasting others time. 2) The rules stated in this post are piss-poorly being followed. People are constantly late without an EP minus.. Yet, people who face pull are being charged ep.. Is this going to be addressed? 3) Is the order of progression going to be Iron maidens> Blast Furnace? or Iron maidens > M-Twins? I think skipping blast furnace for now might be better.. Some of the Mythic bosses are much easier than Blast Furnace and Blackhand. But keep in mind, if people are performing inadequately we will have to sit people for that boss as well. The people who feel that my inadequate performance comment is directed at.. You're probably right.. It's not me saying you're playing poorly though. It's ATR's logs. If you'd like to know who you are go there and look to see what you did, and what you can do better. If you don't put any effort into being better..Why should you deserve to be there for a boss kill?

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Roqwell for Prime Minister 2016.

Snug was there the first time we downed it.